Opinion: RAW for clients? – Surely YES!
PLEASE READ THE WARNING AT THE END OF THIS DOCUMENT.
As photographers doing commercial work we need to decide if we are first and foremost a service provider or alternatively an artist. In other words which comes first! – Something that causes division with many commercial photographers is the conflict of wanting to remain in control of artistic content and at the same time winning clients and supplying them with what they want. For me personally customer wishes are the driving force for any business, and the luxury of placing personal priorities over those of the customer feels wrong. In this article I try to explore if there are more cooperative solutions…
Faced with a contract for paid photographic work, where the client wants the images in RAW format, the real question is simply “do I want the business, under these terms?” And the question is valid. In some cases we will choose to loose the business because the deal is bad.
However, do I have a right to be editing and using the pictures as samples of my work, when by the inverse logic my controlling the editing of the visual record of their event is totally under my artistic control? It is argued that my pictures may be edited badly by a client and the effect on my reputation could be damaged. What about the reputation of the business client, the wedding couple or the portrait client!? I as the photographer, with my contract, have the right to create for them something that could be of far greater detriment.
We retain the right to control the image and have rights to publish, like an artist… We demand to be paid for being there irrespective of the clients value, like a service provider… An artist would show what they have before the client buys; and a service provider allows the product to be adapted by the client.
We can’t pick and choose different perspectives to engineer an advantage!
Consider a chef. As customers we can add salt, pepper and other condiments and we can eat the “bits” and leave the others as we choose to eat. Consider a painter, sculptor or architect. As a customer we can’t change the art, but we can see before we buy. Photographers are the worst of both worlds from the client’s perspective…
The resulting work from a graphic artist that works for an employer, either as a fixed employee, or as a freelancer is property of the employer. Why is this different to a photographer working for a client?
Anyone that has followed my videos or articles knows that I effectively do not edit my pictures, so the results that I provide are as I intended direct from camera. This of course is not common today and I accept that. I do however shoot raw. For clients? Yes, and for myself with my artistic work in the unlikely case images are commercially interesting.
The client is under legal obligation whilst they in return can rely only on trust.
It seems that the majority of photographers in business are missing the fundamentals of business, the principles of a fair contract and the respect for the client, but these things are important too! We hide behind artistic ability, technical competency and financial investment to derive a contract and position of justification. The contract and our justification so often inherently place the client under legal obligation whilst demanding that they in return should rely only on trust. As photographers our contracts place us in total subjective control of what is aesthetic and gives no room for personal subjective control or sensitivities of the client, yet the client’s subjective satisfaction is the basis for any word of mouth business that may come later.
I can think of several ways in which the client can be given what they want and the photographer’s concerns can still be covered…
Client buys the rights
If we allow the client to buy the full rights to any image(s), this effectively transfers the copyright(s) to the client and they are then free to do whatever they wish. This of course has no risk of detrimental impact on the photographer as their involvement is no longer mentioned.
This point of course comes back to the fundamental question: Am I first and foremost an artist or a service provider? As an artist selling the rights at an affordable price will be difficult, but the client should know that from the start. An artistic photographer needs to declare clearly: “I am expensive because I am an artist, you are buying art I choose to give you and not a service to get your event photographed as you may want!” – This may sound extreme and silly, but it is the cold truth of so many commercial photography contracts.
Adapted copyright message
Another fair and easy way is to simply allow the editing, but require images that have been edited to be sent to the photographer prior to publication or circulation. The photographer can then decide how bad the image is. If the image is so bad they can “free” the client from copyright attribution, which after all is what they would want. No one wants to claim copyright on a bad image. However, if the image still has artistic content, for which the photographer would like some recognition, an adapted copyright message can be made a requirement…
e.g. “© copyright {20xx}, {photographer}. edited by {editor} with permission of the © holder – All derivative images are © copyright {20xx}, {photographer}, all rights reserved”.
This more comprehensive attribution means that the compositional and timing skill of the photographer is recognised, but the editing is not attributable to the photographer. Obviously such an approach needs to be in a contract clause, but it is at least fundamentally fair.
Both of these solutions remove the risks that accompany both a photographer’s perceived “artistic value” and legal rights, and gets the concentration back on serving customers fairly. After all they paid for the images. These options also recognise that aesthetics is subjective and the client has paid hoping for something they find aesthetic and suitable.
In principle if a photographer is advertising themselves as an artist, with artist’s prices and artist’s contract conditions, this is fair. What is not fair is if the photographer advertises as a service, but the prices and contract carry all the penalties of an artist. In addition if a client wants to edit images that have been provided, the photographer has failed to satisfy the client’s artistic view of aesthetic or purpose! The least we can do both as artists and service providers is to swallow our pride and do our utmost to make the customer happy!
Alex.,
In discussing this issue with a long time experienced photographer for weddings, it is clear that his experience with these issues has created conflicts in the past. He needs to protect his business, but the actions of clients in posting modified images can damage his reputation and at the same time the word of mouth recommendations from clients to prospects is critical for new business. Faced with this and in the specific area of weddings the ideas and suggestions in this article may not work; or may make for more problems. Clearly private people tend to be less aware or considerate of a contract, agreement or simple understanding when it comes to the rights or interests of others. In effect he is unable to sue them, they don’t respect an agreement – so the only option he has is to deny the RAW files. His position is a good solid counter argument, with real experience to back it up.
Obviously I have not seen Jamie’s contract to know if his contract is “artist” or “service” in nature. So whilst I have used his video and experience as a basis for this article, in no way should you see any of this as a criticism.
To see his video on experience and arguments take a look:
“Jamie Windsor – Should you give clients RAW files?”
WARNING: I am not a lawyer and no legal liability will be taken for the thoughts and opinion I have expressed here. If the topic is of concern to you, I recommend you take a copy of this document and discuss it with your legal adviser.
As a professional photographer for over a decade now during which I worked for numerous clients, companies and publishers I felt obligated to comment. No client should ever be given RAW files. First of all, the files are huge and not everyone will know how to open them. Even if they manage they probably won’t do a good job editing. I mean, they will probably edit the jpeg file in Instagram, which is worse. Communication is the most important part of the whole story. This is why you sit down with the potential client and lay down the rules. For example, when I do weddings (not something I do as often) I show examples of my previous work, we agree on the style of shooting and the style of editing. I am straight forward about what I do. For the arranged price you will get what we agreed upon. After everything is done, client can do small corrections but that is all. I usually do a selection of 150 photos for the printed book and additional 300 photos on the side. So the client gets 450 photos in total. I always say, this is what I do, this is what you’ll get, this is the price. End of story. If we can’t agree then obviously I’m not the right person for the job. Photography is art no matter what anyone thinks. Some artists are better than the others. Some are not artists at all. For example. I come from an art background, high school, bachelor, postgraduate… whole package. Some photographers, well… they don’t, and you can tell. You wrote that you can see a work of art before you buy it… well… not always, it’s called commission. Designers also do pitches… I guess in everything you need to have great resume, example of previous work and most importantly ability to make a sale. I think this covers it. In my humble opinion your approach is bad for photography and photographers.
Firstly thanks for taking the time, it is important to debate and consider all aspects.
I do understand the concerns but I still think you have missed the fundamental issue of choosing “artist” or “service provider”.. Which is first?
Your comment “Even if they manage they probably won’t do a good job editing […]” is kind of the point I was trying to raise. Surely as a client they have a purpose, wish, intent or hope for the results and if the images have not met those needs then; was this the client’s risk hiring an artist, or should they be able to recover the value from the service? The answer to this differs depending upon being an artist or service provider…
As I said in the article if an “artist first” photographer’s website and contract expressed clearly the sentiment:
then I would agree with your argument.
Other art as with commissions for painting, do not have the “once in a lifetime” situation similar to photography for a corporate event or a wedding. As such I think that with traditional commissions only money could be wasted and one would not loose the irrecoverable record of a decisive moment.
If we are dispassionate about it, photographers contracts would not stand the test of trading standards (UK), consumer protection or any other fair principles of business if they did not have “artistic” aspects to support it.
As for your comment “In my humble opinion your approach is bad for photography and photographers.” – This depends. If the photographer pretends to be a service provider whilst having a contract that protects them as an artist, it should be bad for them. If they declare the position they really are and the contract reflects where they really are, then it will simply pass the control to the client where it should be. Namely, choosing which type of photographer they want!
I really do believe that there is no right or wrong way. However, I do think that a photographer operating as “artist first” needs to make it quite clear to the client that they have the risk that they may not like the results and there is nothing they can do about it. And a photographer operating as “service first” needs to hand over the results of the paid work and move on.
It just happens that I work on the “service first” approach and you seem to operate on the “artist first” approach, that’s a business decision. For me clients, their wishes and their aims come first but I am still an artist!
Alex.,
Interesting subject, and one that can swing both ways. Personally I don’t think there is right or wrong in which ever way you go. For me though, if the client asks for raw files, that’s what they will get. I will ask if they can handle them, or understand what they are asking for, and if they say: “yes”. Then cool. If they say: “No” I will explain, then let them know the price.
When I shoot video, and the client wants, the raw footage, I can’t imagine anyone saying: NO! Not only does that sound crazy, it actually is!… Sure the client may mess up the edit, or do a different type of edit, but that is down to them. I’ve had a client do that with my raw video footage, and I didn’t like the edit, and to my eyes it wasn’t the best; but guess what!… No one else noticed what I noticed, because no one else is me!
I like Jamie Windsor, and the way he see’s photography, his views on style, and the way he explains things in an organic kind of way. I watch a lot of his videos, learned a lot from him, and tend to agree with him 99% of the time; however, I completely disagree with him on this one. The only point that he raised that I think is valid, is that the client “might” mess it up. Other than that, the rest of the points are very weak, and anyone using these points comes across as attempting to rationalise not giving over the raw files.
I do think the situation is slightly different with photographers, because the prints come from those files, and that is a stream of revenue for the photographer, particularly with weddings, that he or she will potentially lose in handing them over. I don’t know why Jamie didn’t just say that!… it makes much more sense.
The reality is, we are living in a 21st Century world where lots of regular individuals know how to make Photoshop “zing” way better than your average photographer does. Graphic designers and artists are not photographers; and the client may be one, or knows one! Therefore I think it’s easiest to, let go of your ego, and give them the benefit of the doubt, and ask them about their plans for those raw files.
The rational that Jamie uses regarding musicians who mix the track before handing it over for consumption doesn’t wash with me. It isn’t true because if I, as the client hire a musician for a studio session to make a track for me, at the end of it, I’m going home with the master track, not just the mix! The client in a wedding situation is actually the producer, who may not be able to mix personally, but there are plenty of engineers out there, he/she can turn to and employ. The only way the musician is walking away with the master tape, is if they pay for the session!
The product of Wedding photography is generally not for a mass consumption. It is for the individuals getting married to share if they so choose, not for photographers to dictate who can see them, or what the individuals in the pictures can do with them! That’s outrageous! particularly after spending the sort of sums people spend on weddings.
Photographers need to get a grip, and come to terms with the reality that those days when they controlled everything has passed. On top of that, most people in this internet age, can’t tell a good image from a bad one, unless it is seriously seriously screwed up.
We seem to be very similar in mindset. I agree and some of your formulations are better. “Photographers need to get a grip, and come to terms with the reality that those days when they controlled everything has passed.” This is so so real, yet the terms and conditions act as if they do and should.
“I do think the situation is slightly different with photographers, because the prints come from those files, and that is a stream of revenue for the photographer, particularly with weddings, that he or she will potentially lose in handing them over. I don’t know why Jamie didn’t just say that!… it makes much more sense.”
Did you mean that they charge for each print… do they do that still? I thought that in the digital age only the couple and the parents would want actual printed copies. Most I would suspect aren’t that interested in paper!
You really should do videos on your opinion on this stuff.. You are so much better in front of the camera, than I. And unlike me your years of experience and practice add weight to the value of the argument that I just can’t bring.
Thanks for taking the time to read these. Alex.,